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This community supports PARKOUR, not COMPETITION - Run Without Rivals

The members of this community stand firmly against the idea of organized parkour competition. Our reasons:

1.
We don't believe in elites.
We don't believe in any form of selection among practitioners.
We don't believe in the necessity of any form of hierarchy of performance among practitioners.
We believe to be "the best" doesn't mean anything in parkour, because winning or losing don't mean anything in parkour philosophy.
We do not accept such a drive as part of the parkour philosophy.

Instead, we believe the drive to train should always and only come from within.
We strive to be stronger for ourselves and others, not against people, but with and for others.
Therefore, we reject and disregard any form of rivalry between practitioners.
Instead, we value mutual respect and solidarity in making progress as individuals and as a community.

2.
We believe it stands against the philosophy of parkour to compete to win or earn anything that is not part of parkour values, such as medals, prizes, trophies, money, fame, recognition, or glory.
Same goes about showing off for a crowd.

Instead, we look for priceless and beneficial outcomes to our actions.
We also look for benefits we all can share.
We are givers, not takers.

3. Competition encourages the unready to sacrifice their health for early victories, or to reach a ranking that has no true meaning.
It forces elite competitors to constantly and repeatedly endanger their most precious good, health, because of obsession and obligation of victory, and whatever is at stake as a direct consequence of it, including money, rank or status, pride, and also professional or sponsoring contracts and profitable commercial deals.
It leads competitive practitioners to unbalance their training and focus only on the specific skills needed to win, leading to chronic injuries.
Despite official denials, doping is most of the time involved in every level of competition, that money is involved or not.
We believe the physical consequences of competing at high level goes against the philosophy of parkour which emphasizes on moderation and the necessity of enduring.

Instead, parkour is a humble, patient and lifelong discipline, and the human body requires incremental conditioning to ensure its resistance and longevity.
Moderation is a truly important value of parkour and an indispensable quality in order to preserve oneself and for the body to endure.
Therefore, we reject whatever goes against moderation and that impairs the body.

4. Parkour doesn't belong to corporations, sponsors, medias, and people sitting at home to watch.
We believe we must not accept activities and plans that are abusively called parkour, that misuse its name and hijack its image to draw public and medias attention to something that is NOT parkour, despite the resistance of the majority of the community against such intentions.

Instead, we affirm parkour is a non-competitive discipline that belong to all practitioners, to the local communities, to the teams and friends, and to the human race as a whole.
We believe we must stand together against ambitions that do not reflect the original philosophy of parkour and that are disrespectful to the parkour philosophy and the parkour community.

Competition is not inevitable - it is just another obstacle! Support original parkour, keep our discipline free!

Big thx to TK17 and Hebertiste !
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Attention to all people who legitimately oppose the introduction of competition in parkour.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article2472154.ece



IMPOSTURE :

The act or instance of engaging in deception under an assumed name or identity.




At some point in parkour "history," actually not long ago, many people in the community were willing to accept and have everyone accept the idea of acrobatics as part of parkour.
Even though the non-utility acrobatic movements are not part of the purpose of parkour, they had their own arguments trying to convince the rest of the community and many conflicts and arguments arose.
One of their arguments was that we had nothing to worry about since we'd remain free to not flip if we didn't want to!
But we simply knew acrobatics was not a part of parkour and at no time could it be accepted as a part of it.
It wasn't about debating the benefits of training acrobatics and the freedom
for anyone to train and perform them.
It was simply to have them understand it wasn't and couldn't be part of parkour, ever. And that they had no right to portray parkour as involving artistic movements and their training as part of the purpose of parkour, since it would obviously affect the image of parkour and the way it is trained.
By strongly standing against, we made it not happen and therefore preserved
the utility and original meaning and essence of parkour.
By doing this we preserved the correct overall perception and image of parkour in the population and in the media.

We stood against and it worked.


We're now facing the same issue.
Many in the parkour community are discussing their own arguments and they're also using the very same argument, telling us we're free to not compete!
Remind you of something?
Just like it wasn't about discussing if acrobatics are good or bad, this is not a discussion about whether competition is good or bad.
Acrobatics are not part of parkour.
Competition is not part of parkour.

I don't need anyone to tell me I am free not to compete. I practice parkour partly because it's a rivalry free discipline. I will not accept a few individuals redefining parkour to suit their goals when it is clear what they are pursuing is contrary to what parkour is.
I want to know that parkour will keep rivalry free.
It is not just a great concern like people thinking parkour includes acrobatics.
It is a MUCH GREATER CONCERN.
It is about our right to preserve parkour from not only being portrayed, but also practiced, in a way that is OPPOSITE to its very essence: which is non-competitive, and rivalry free.

We did not accept the argument that parkour was aesthetically driven as well as utility driven, because one was original and the other was not.
We also cannot accept competition as part of parkour because it is antagonistic to the values of parkour
Because parkour is non-competitive.
Because the practice of similar movements but for a different purpose and with an OPPOSITE mindset must bear a different name.

For many years now I've understood that "fighting" FOR the reality you want is always much better than fighting AGAINST the reality you dislike.
So far, the parkour community has affirmed that parkour is non-competitive, but probably not enough, because there seemed to be no actual threat so far. There is clearly a threat now, it was stated and affirmed, by two commercial websites which are APK and UFF.
Sometimes it's good, and simply necessary, to say NO. In order to fight FOR the reality you want and the one you have and want to preserve, you need to fight against and show and fierce resistance, NOW and until that threat exists.

A few people, pretending to have a great understanding of parkour, are promoting values that show a total misunderstanding of parkour, and also a true disrespect for the discipline and its practitioners.
If they succeed with their plans, they are going to be responsible for a great DILUTION of parkour. That will create a new community of competitive people illegitimately calling what they do "parkour" simply because they will train the same movements, even though they neither understand nor respect the original ethics.
If they succeed they're going to dilute the original parkour, a rivalry free discipline, into a competitive sport that pushes people to fight against others for the satisfaction of a crowd and the benefits of a few businesspeople.
They also might be responsible for creating a DIVISION in the current parkour community.
The outcome of the current issue will greatly depend on the capacity of the community to resist and again to collectively stand against these plans to modify, alter and hijack the original philosophy of parkour.

"Freestyle parkour" didn't happen.
It's up to us to make sure "competitive parkour" shares the same fate.
We have to act now before it's too late and before the few decide for us all.

Show your opposition whenever and wherever it is possible.
Don't loose time and energy debating about competition itself anymore.
Indeed competition can bring positive as well as negative outcomes, we all know that, so it's not being against any form of competition, but about being against competition in parkour. As for "parkour in competition," it's simply nonsense. Parkour isn't only a set of movements, but training capacities of movement with a rivalry free philosophy.
You can enter any competition and use the physical and mental capacities and condition you got thanks to your parkour training, but as soon as you start competing, your mindset has already left the mindset that parkour demands: rivalry free.
As soon as you want to beat others, parkour ends. That's because parkour is above all about ethics, and an ethics which does not condone rivalry.
It means that any event based on people competing against each other cannot be called parkour.
It also means that someone competing in any kind of competitive event cannot be using "parkour." That person is only using capacities developed through parkour, but not with the mindset that parkour demands.
I do not believe the argument either about how other disciplines or sports
evolved to competition. Parkour is unique. Parkour is non-competitive, it is not even an option, it is part of its very core philosophy to not only be non-competitive, but also to avoid and stand against rivalry.

So my advice and suggestions:

First, don't buy the illusion that it is "inevitable." It is not, but it is what they want you to believe in order to weaken your resistance. They also count on your own curiosity for their future events. If the whole community stands against it, and make it VISIBLE we are against them, it's going to be a very BIG obstacle for those people convincing the media their intentions are accepted or approved by the community they're supposed to be "leaders" of. It will just show that what they do is an imposture, not the real discipline. Sponsors are very reluctant to invest money in events that might be counterproductive in term of advertising.

Second, just OPPOSE the introduction of competition in parkour, just like you opposed the introduction of acrobatics in parkour. Just say no; just tell them you don't want those competitions. Don't get fooled by their rhetoric. Keep in mind it's above all a great way for them to be in a position to be leaders of a commercialized discipline and make money, not to help a genuine community committed to the discipline's original ethics. Competitions and acrobatics can be good, but NOT in parkour, because it opposes what parkour is.
Oppose it wherever and whenever you can on forums, register to express this opposition right on their boards if necessary, and don't let those people promoting competition let people believe it's "ok" because it is not. It is a betrayal of the true nature of parkour.


Third, DEMAND they call their event something other than "parkour," because the movements without the parkour spirit of non-rivalry is simply not parkour anymore and therefore what their sport would be an imposture.

Fourth, make an anti-competition signature of your own, like:
"Keep parkour free of competition"
"Parkour is a rivalry free discipline",
"Competing is not a parkour value"
or such.

Fifth, put a "pro-rivalry FREE" or "anti-parkour competition" announcement on your personal blog or community website.
You can use the one made by TK17 and myself if you wish.
Make it visible everywhere; competition won't be tolerated within the community.

Sixth, they may tell you they don't intend to call their event "parkour" something. I say don't even tolerate the promotion of competitive events, existing or not, on parkour websites. It is the seed of confusion, alteration and dilution of the conception of parkour, and oppose it wherever and whenever you find it.


FORCE them to RESPECT the philosophy of parkour and therefore to respect
you.
There's no negotiation possible with people that pretend to understand
parkour while trying to justify and impose plans that stand against parkours philosophy and therefore stand against the parkour community itself.
Their so-called "freedom" to make parkour competitive is simply thinking
that "parkour is whatever you want it to be."
But there is more: this freedom is denying our own freedom to preserve the rivalry-free philosophy in parkour. Defending the non-competitive essence of parkour is natural and legitimate. It is our freedom. Their "freedom" is just an imposture.
I don't believe they should be free to hijack parkour for their own benefit
by DESTROYING the very essence of parkour.
If they succeed, it will be impossible to seriously teach and spread parkour as non-competitive.
Another kind of practice will spread that may be called parkour, but that won't hold its essence anymore.

One last thing..."imposture" is an act of deception.
Now that they affirmed they do plan competitive events, they're not deceiving us anymore indeed.
But by showing many people parkour is about competing, they engage in a massive act of global deception of all people that don't know parkour yet.
That is an extremely serious issue for parkour.


Yes, I do believe it is as serious as that.

STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHT TO KEEP PARKOUR RIVALRY FREE.

Old video when i was on 7 day trip in Zagreb/Sesvete/Krizevci to practice parkour with some cool traceurs from those cities.
Many respect to Plod,Seven,Kole,Artanis,Spider,Vale,Tacko,Vanja,Mara,Meri,Zorak,Jackie,Bunta,Oz and Denis.
We had hard training sessions and alot of fun,hope i come again soon.
Especially big thx to Artanis mom and Plod's grandmother who situate me and fed me
Video was edited by Kole


Enjoy.

This guy Frank dont have half of his arm,but that dont stop him to practice parkour.
In this video it was all parkour(and fucking nice), except two useless movements;sideflip(1:03) and palmspin(1:18).
He can be very good inspiration for all of us!
Video here :


enjoy,i did

I hope we will meet in the future and train together.
Keep training hard,you have my respect Frank !

POST 1

Even the stuff just on the ground can be horrible on the joints and longterm functionality of your body because there is still alot of impact.

There is a serious number of people out there in the Parkour world with knee joint problems just because training is not proper before hand. In parkour (just like everything else in life) its like people are on a race of some sort.. trying to get results in 20 mins or less.

Not going to happen. Parkour is not the place to want to rush to be the best.

Most people I see and meet now a days will have joint problems later on. What happens is soon your skill and what you can do metally becomes greater then what your body can do physically. Very dangerous point to get to. Its where personal constraint plays a big role in training in order to be safe. Even though you can do something, doesnt mean you should be doing it at all yet, and a focus on making it more and more of a safe reality should be the prime objective.

If you get any sort of knee pain, it means you are doing too much too soon. Wake up and realize you are only killing your body and you have to take a few steps back to take more steps in the future.

2-3 years isnt enough to do big drops unless you spent that time conditioning like crazy. Not even big drops though, most people should cut out most things out of their training and replace them all with conditioning.

Funny thing is, most people dont realize that with a proper body they would get BETTER at parkour FASTER! Why can gymnasts learn parkour faster, why can rockclimbers climb in parkour so easily, why do martial artists pick up fast... All because their previous training and conditioning allows them to. Conditioning is SOOO important. 99% of the time for someone under 3-4 years serious training its better off working conditioning then Parkour. With all the effort people put into making their precision jump 1 foot longer or catleap 2 feet higher they could make their body so much stronger. Muscle memory works wonders and even though you didnt train "Parkour things" your body will remember them and with a stronger body you will be able to enhance them all.

In the end you can tell your friend the amount of training he puts into his body that is not parkour will determine in the end how much Parkour and how long he will be able to do it.

I could have written this all in 1 sentence. Rush rush rush... You get hurt.

POST 2
Ill explain by telling a story.. I love retelling this story because it woke me up and maybe it can wake others up too. I wont go into too much detail though....

The science center here in Toronto has a drop machine setup and shows you how much impact you take when you do a simple 3 foot drop. I talked to them for a bit and explained to them what I do and they allowed me to have the machine line stopped for a bit while I ran some tests that I was going to use on my website to show people how dangerous drops can be.

What the machine does is calculates the force you create hitting the ground from the platform you jump from. The platform you jump from weighs you before you jump. I knew that the tests would be inaccurate unless I setup a camera to make sure I jumped exactly the same each time so I did that in order to make the results useable to a degree. My girlfriend at the time was handy for that.

So I did 4-5 jumps and so did she. The results were shown as X times body weight. The results were something like; Me Best 1.8x bodyweight and done with a purposely bad landing was 4x+ my body weight. The hers had a similar best due to form, but a lower higher number when dropping wrong do to weight.

Think about this for a second. 180x1.8=324pounds good landing, 180x4=720 for a bad landing. Thats alot of weight I have to deal with on a simple drop!! 1-2 times is meaningless, 10might be meaningless too, 25 to some, 150 for others. But eventually if you dont strengthen your legs or recover properly after each time you train you will get tendonitis in your knees or strains or another similar injury. How many of you have ever gotten knee pain after training? Thats right... raise your hands.

What I learnt:

A. Lighter people land with a lower X times bodyweight even if their form is bad (but that wasnt a big surprise). Weight makes a huge deal to landing. Lighter people + Parkour = Better. It means that even if you screw up, you have to deal with alot less compounded weight.

B. Form plays a big role to an extent, and a split second too late compression can equal massive amounts of weight. Solid locks legs = alot of force.

C. Even a 3 foot drop done wrong can do damage over time if you have bad form, weigh alot, have weak tendons and train incorrectly.

D. Dropping at 10+ feet could net over 1000 pounds+ force in your muscles and joints. Taking drops like this over and over will speed up the injury process just the same as landing badly, overtraining, or having weak legs and still trying to push.

Now its hard to tell people what might happen to them because it all depends on how you go into drops, how strong your muscles and connecting tissues are, how you aim your foot at that wall, or etc etc when you are doing Parkour. We have a fairly big scene here in Toronto though and I watch a lot of people inadvertently put more pressure and force then they should into things all the time. It's important you ALWAYS pay attention to what you are doing and spend lots and lots of time on small things making your form and control near perfect.

But like I said before, the most important thing is to always realize even though you might think you are ready for something, you have to come to the understanding that chances are you probably are not and you are risking injury apon yourself.

By Pkdanno

Rest of the post you can see here :

http://parkour.net/parkour/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5993&forum=46&post_id=93722#forumpost93722

Evo, članak je napokon izašao u novinama.
Inaće dosta smo zadovoljni jer novinarka se stvarno potrudila napisati sve ljepo kako smo mi rekli te je i sama proučila o parkouru dosta i ovim pute se njoj zahvaljujemo
*Napravljena je mala greška, uglavnom, nije Mate Snopek već Matej Snopek.

by Tibor Huđik

Članak možete vidjeti ovdje :
http://www.parkour.hr/galerija/image/view/64/

it's very easy.

-) roots
-) original
-) meaning
-) lazy ass


roots:

the roots of parkour lie in honour and the need to survive. davids father was a hero. the roots of freerun lie in sebastien fuckon i mean foucan wanting to make money so finding a name to sell HIS sport (since he came up with the name) to the masses in the UK. thats not honour that is asshole. who wants to associate with honourless greedy bastards?

original:

the original art that included the overcoming of obstacles but also acrobatics was and still is YAMAKASI , wich is also the name of a group that recently split, which ws founded by david belle, where also seb fuckon was member for a while. 'freerun' and 'frpk' are just businessnames to make $$ that were invented although the art and the name already existed. so those using those names are not original either. who wants to associate with ppl that arent original ?

meaning:

the meaning of parkour is efficiency. saying FRPK ( freestyle parkour ) is like saying ineffcient efficiency. its parradox, or to be more exact its an Oxymoron. it simply doesnt work, and people that use that name prove that they are not intelligent enough to understand that. who wants to associate with idiots ?

lazy ass:

the frpk ppl try to invade every parkour forum and spam it with their f*cking flips questions instead of making their own forums and leaving us true traceurs alone, and then there are ppl who are out only for money (e.g. EZ (uf) M2 (apk) .. ) who feel the need to do a 'parkour' site but also include freerunning to their forum so they can sell their shirts and dvds to a larger audience. parkour people dont want to associate with honourless inoriginal idiots (as explained above) so they get even more upset with the lazy honourless inoriginal idiots wanting to use their forums all the time.


I know this is insultive to FRPKers and Freerunners. I take that into account but i stand in for it. People that use the names FRPK and Freerun are slaves. They obviously dont have the intelligence to understand what the name means and that it doesnt work, and they obviously dont know where their 'art' comes from or are honourless so dont care what honourless roots their art has. either way, i dont like people that dont have a basic amount of intelligence, nor dont i like ppl with no honour (thats even worse than being an idiot) - so im not sorry for my words, i will state them whenever you want wherever i want, straight into the face of everyone, not only on the net.

3run is 3run.3 run comes from the 3 components wushu, freerun, and streetstunts.

there were 3 ways to follow:

1) David Delle / Le Parkour. the original movement. master trains 20 years.

2) Yamakasi / Art Du Deplacement. the original movement. masters train 20 years.

3) FRPK / Urbanfreeflow. a fake copy from newbies in the art who train for like 2 years.

By Andreas Kalteis

Whole topic you can see here :
http://z14.invisionfree.com/Mag/index.php?showtopic=1090

In the beginning there was 2 groups, 'maestra' wich mostly trained acro in the gym, and 'yamakasi' wich did more of the outside stuff. then when David Belle and Sebastian Foucan split form the others, those kept 'yamakasi' and herbert kuonde, a friend of David but not a practisioner of parkour, came up with the name 'parkour' coming from 'parcours du combattant'.They werent soldiers so the 'combattant' was left out, the 'c' wasnt aggressive enough to show the hard training, and the efficiency said dont write an S that you dont speak. PARKOUR was born. Tracer means 'one that follows his way' or 'one that goes his way', traceur is just a misunderstanding coz some french guy thought 'in french grammar it must be traceUr' but it actually wasnt (see their old videos, they say 'les tracers presente..' )

Big thx to Andreas Kalteis and Jerome Lebret !

Strong means complete, able to run, jump, climb, lift heavy objects, swim, fight (self-defense), to be fast, agile, endurant, brave etc...both physically and mentally strong. Useful is about helping others.
Parkour is simply a modern and mainly urban declination of this discipline and philosophy.
Don't limit your practice to only its visual aspect, and don't limit your philosophy to what only suits you.
It's no about fun, parkour is so much more than that.
If you don't get it, you're lightyears away from understanding its true essence.

Rest of quotes you can see here :

http://parkour.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=4788&forum=1&post_id=75732#forumpost75732

Što je traceur? Ili tko je traceur?

Traceur je osoba koja je dosad prosla proces treninga, ima mnogo iskustva i sposobnosti za realizirati kretnje i skokove koje sačinjavaju parkour,traceur se moze smatrati kao atleta(snažan čovjek).

Oni koji počnu sa odgovornim treninzima zovu se početnici(učenici),ostali koji počinju samo da bi skakali i igrali se okolo sa parkour-om bili bi i ostali amateri.

Budući da netko nije doktor,inžinjer ili arhitekt dok ne diplomira,prije toga on je samo učenik.

Kroz ovaj početnićki period,moraš se fokusirati da upoznaš svoje tijelo,otkriješ svoje slabosti i naučiš dominirati sa sobom,tvoje tijelo je tvoj alat,tvoj mozak je ono što ga pokreće i tvoje srce je ono što mu daje energiju.Ovo je snaga,okretnost,vještina,izdržljivost,kontrola i pogotovo strast.Ovo je sastavljeno od velikog fizičkog rada,ako ste imali priliku pogledati dokumentarac «Generacija Yamakasi»,tamo je rečeno da onaj ko je treniran od grupe Yamakasi mora zaboraviti na velike skokove prvu godinu,tokom te prve godine oni će ostvariti fizički trening kako bi počeli sa naprednijim skokovima,oni ne uzimaju rizik bez da su pripremljeni.Ovo ne znači da ne bi trebali vježbati skokove i samo raditi na fizičkoj pripremi,ali bi trebali najmanje 4 puta tjedno 80% vremena provesti u tome.
Parkour počinje od dna prema vrhu,prvo morate dominirati na zemlji,tek tada početi uspinjati se prema gore prema velikim skokovima.

Vrijeme je da prestanete gledati na parkour kao trend ili kao dječiju igru.Želim da ljudi budu svjesni svega ovoga i dati pravu sliku parkour-a.
Umoran sam od gledanja prosječnih filmova ljudi koji govore «Ja treniram parkour vec godinu dana...» a izleda kao da su se tek sreli sa parkourom,oni misle da je parkour samo bacanje samog sebe sa drugog kata njihove kuće dok su im noge tek u razvitku,moramo dati parkour-u ozbiljnost,važnost i profesionalizm koji zaslužuje.

Premda će ovo nekim ljudima biti dosadno i mnogi se neće sloziti sa mojim riječima sigurno,važno je ostavit poruku,ako više nas radi dobre stvari,ovo će bit slika koju će ostatak imati od nas.

Jorge Rocha
PAWA Team Columbia

Moj sexy prijevod za sve hrvatske traceure

Link za englesku verziju :
http://parkour.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=4725&forum=24&post_id=74663#forumpost74663